Survivor<\/em><\/em>. I did not know this. I still don’t know this. I just know everyone’s word for it. Everyone kept being like, \u201cWe got to get Tony out of here.\u201d They were so scared of him and Boston Rob, who, again, I did not know. But I know that everyone was very nervous about Boston Rob being on the show. People felt very uncomfortable with his presence there. I did not know why, because I did not know what he was up to or capable of.<\/p>\n<\/h3>\n
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I guess now you do.<\/strong><\/p>\nI certainly do now. Also, I just want to give Boston Rob one bit of shout out. Everyone’s calling him bald. Boston Rob is not bald. He has a full head of hair under his hat. We were sitting down one day when the cameras were down and he took his hat off, and I was blown away. I was like, \u201cI was assuming you were covering your hair up because you don’t have any.\u201d <\/em>He has a lot of hair. I was really like, Oh my god, Boston, Rob has a lot of hair that he never shows anyone.<\/em><\/em><\/p>\nOh right \u2014 you made a comment about his hat. You weren\u2019t feeling it.<\/strong><\/p>\nEveryone was all dressed up. Even Tony was dressed up. Even the Survivor<\/em><\/em> people who live in the woods and wear T-shirts around their heads and shirts for skirts were all dressed up. And I was like, \u201cOh my God, a backwards hat in the blazer… girl, come on.\u201d<\/p>\nWhen Alan picked you as a traitor, what was going through your mind that day? How were you feeling?<\/strong><\/p>\nI had it in my heart that I was going to be a traitor. I thought it’d be crazy for them to not pick me as a traitor, because I thought I would be so good at it. And to be honest, I think I did a good job. A lot of people criticize some of the choices that I made on the show, but I stand by them. Everything that I intended to happen through my choices as a traitor had all of their intended effects. People were very suspicious of the housewives. Everyone was suspicious of Robyn Dixon. People were suspicious of Lord Ivar because of the Dorinda kill. People were very confused by us killing Chanel Ayan. And Jeremy’s murder was really to protect Danielle, because he was on to her and he’s very convincing. He doesn’t do his talking at the roundtable. He does his talking in the castle. I can talk you down at the roundtable, but if you’re talking in the castle and I don’t know what’s happening… he could have gotten rid of Danielle and she was my ride-or-die. So I let her lead the charge and we got rid of him.<\/p>\n
I loved your reaction to Danielle being a traitor. What were you thinking when you had that reveal?<\/strong><\/p>\nDanielle and I were on the raft together just seething because we were so cold and we were so annoyed. We couldn’t believe they left us. They actually left us. Everyone did \u2014 people from the set, production \u2014 they drove away and we were on the dock by ourselves. That was not for TV. One of my plans was to get rid of Britney [Haynes] for Danielle, because I know that Britney had done Danielle dirty. And I was like, \u201cWell, I got your back. I’m gonna get this Britney girl out of here. She did you wrong, and she’ll pay for that.\u201d But then when I saw her in the turret with me, I was so just geeked. My reaction was very authentic. Everything I did on that show was authentic. I was never acting. Any tears I shed were real tears. I was never turning it on. I was maybe leaning into it, but I was never acting.<\/p>\n
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What was your reaction to Carolyn Wiger? She’s so interesting, because on the outside, she’s this frantic ball of energy, but she’s also very strategic internally.<\/strong><\/p>\nA lot of people online keep being like, \u201cWhy don’t you guys listen to Carolyn?\u201d which is a fair critique if you’re watching from home. It’s easy to say what you would do when you never have to prove it. But when I was there, there were moments where she would advocate for something, but she wasn’t advocating in a way that was articulate. I\u2019m not saying she’s inarticulate, but she was not articulating her point very well. They didn’t make sense. I’m like, I don’t know what you’re saying.<\/em><\/em> It was basically, \u201cJust trust me, bro.\u201d Whereas when Danielle was saying her points, she was giving the reasons why. <\/p>\nCarolyn has a thing where she’s like, \u201cNo one ever listens to me.\u201d Caroline’s my age and she\u2019s like, \u201cNo one ever listens to me.\u201d Like, girl, if you’re in your late 30s and no one ever listened to you… at some point, it might be the way you’re communicating. I’m not saying it’s her fault. But at what point do you have a part in it? And I think we were listening… and honestly, maybe her decisions would have been right. It\u2019s easy to say, because we’ll never know.<\/p>\n
The usual strategy for traitors is to be as low-key as possible. But you made your opinion heard, you\u2019re a natural leader. Was there ever a moment when you’re like, <\/strong>Okay, I really have to dial this down?<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\nNo, I’ve never in my life thought that I need to be low-key. People are like, you’re so obviou<\/em><\/em>s. That’s how I would be acting if I was a faithful. That’s how I would be acting if I was a traitor. That’s how I’d be acting if I was the director. That’s how I would be acting if I was Alan Cumming. That’s how I’d be acting if I was working craft services. It doesn’t matter where I’m at. That’s how I’m gonna be. It’s how I’ve been my whole life. So that was not traitorous behavior. That was just Bob The Drag Queen behavior. That’s how I act everywhere I am. I’m very loud, I’m very boisterous, I’m very too much, and I make sure that my opinions are heard.<\/p>\nYou were guiding the conversations, and it was really working in your favor. But then Dylan Efron seemed to be on to you early. Did that surprise you? Were you stressed about him?<\/strong><\/p>\nI was stressed about him, but I didn’t think that his reasons for me being a traitor actually made sense. He was saying stuff like, \u201cBecause you’re smart.\u201d I’m like, okay, that doesn’t make you a traitor. Being smart doesn’t make you a traitor. \u201cBecause you’re a good actor.\u201d Okay, being a good actor doesn\u2019t make you a traitor. You don’t get to pick if you’re a traitor. You are chosen to be a traitor. So I actually didn’t think that his reasons for me being a traitor were that great, and I don’t think anyone else did either, because I didn’t get a single vote besides him until the fourth roundtable. No one was convinced until Rob went around telling everyone to vote for me. And obviously Rob was more sure, because Rob knew for a fact that I was a traitor. Dylan had a suspicion. Boston Rob knew for a fact that I was a traitor, because he’s a traitor.<\/p>\n
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You saw some people clocking that after you were banished. Wes said, \u201cThere’s only one way you could be so sure.\u201d Do you think Rob’s strategy makes sense? <\/strong><\/p>\nIt made sense to get me out of the turret and the roundtable, because I was a very demanding and commanding presence. But I don’t think it’s a smart strategy for him, because immediately, before people even went to bed that night, they were already on to him. I don’t personally think it was a smart strategy. What I would have done was pull me aside, because when I said \u201cone of the three guys might be a traitor,\u201d I wasn’t talking about him. I was talking about Wes [Bergman] or Dylan [Efron]. Boston Rob was not on my radar to get out of the castle at that point in time. I was going to try to get him out eventually. I heard him say in interviews that he thought I was going to eventually get him out, which is true. I would have eventually, but not right away. I wouldn’t have turned on another traitor so soon, because it doesn’t look good for you, especially when you say something like, \u201cIf I’m wrong, you all can vote me out next week.\u201d How is that not the biggest red flag for everyone at the table? <\/p>\n
Were you completely taken by surprise when Rob started going after you? Or did you have any sense before that it was going to go that way?<\/strong><\/p>\nI had no clue. I was out of the castle for a second. I was going through my own thing. My mom passed away two weeks before I did the show. I buried her the next week, and then the week after that, I went directly to The Traitors<\/em><\/em>. I was having a lot of mental stuff going on, and I had to step out of bounds for a second just to collect myself. And that’s when they were all scheming against me. I couldn’t even defend myself. I didn’t even know that was happening. So I had no clue. It was a very masterful blind side.<\/p>\nI was really surprised when Danielle Reyes voted for you. You’ve talked about how hurtful that was. What are your reflections on that now? Do you understand her rationale?<\/strong><\/p>\nI understand Danielle’s rationale. I also know that it is a game. We’re great. We chat, we text, we talk on the phone. I cannot wait to see her at the reunion. I have no hard feelings toward anyone who played the game.<\/p>\n
If the roles were reversed and it was Boston Rob going after Danielle: Do you think you would have voted for her?<\/strong><\/p>\nI would have never done it in a million years.<\/p>\n
Because she had your loyalty? <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/span>One, it was my loyalty. And two, not that many people were actually on to her. It was Jeremy, and he’s gone. People at home are like, \u201cShe\u2019s so obvious.\u201d Go back and watch Wells\u2019 and Dorinda\u2019s exit interview. They had no clue. They were like, \u201cThe Oscar goes to Danielle.\u201d You guys at home see everything. We can only see what we see from our point of view, right? So obviously, at home, you have way more information than we have. So that’s why it’s easier for you to play the game, because you already know who’s in what position. I don’t think people were actually onto Danielle. No one was bringing her up at the table. Danielle was safe. So I wouldn’t have voted for her. I also wouldn’t want her to go out knowing that I voted for her either.<\/p>\n<\/h3>\n
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You made such an iconic exit. Was that line, \u201cI sweared to God… but I don\u2019t believe in God,\u201d ready to go?<\/strong><\/p>\nI wasn’t in my room writing down things to say. I’m very extemporaneous, and I’m clever and witty. So I never had to work too hard to come up with quick quippy lines. I never knew that Dylan Efron was going to mention his brother at the roundtable. I didn’t have that in my back pocket, locked and loaded. But when I was at the roundtable, fighting for my life, I was like, \u201cI’m going to try to appeal to the people here who have religious sensibilities and I’m going to say, \u2018I swear to God.\u2019\u201d I remember as a kid, people would swear to God as their 11 o’clock speech. The last thing I have is I can swear to God. That’s all I can do: swear to God. And that means nothing to me, because I don’t believe in God. So I was like, I’ll swear to God all day.<\/p>\n
I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your mom and having to be filming during that quick time. Was there a part of you that was relieved to be banished so you can take a moment?<\/strong><\/p>\nMaybe a little bit when I left the castle and was out of Scotland. But while I was there, I wanted to suit up and show up. Obviously, I had agreed to do The Traitors<\/em><\/em> before my mom passed away, and by then, I was already on this trajectory. I had my outfits, I had cleared my schedule. I do wish I could have done it at a different time in my life, when I was more clear-headed going in there. But all things considered, I think I did a pretty good job. Honestly, I truly believe I handled my time in the castle really well.<\/p>\nI know <\/strong>The Traitors <\/em><\/strong><\/em>is<\/strong> <\/strong><\/em>just one of the million things you do and I know you have a book, the novel <\/strong>Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/u><\/a> coming out. Can you just share a little bit about that?<\/strong><\/p>\nYes, I wrote a book! It’s called Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert.<\/em><\/em> It’s a historical fiction piece. It’s a bit absurd. Harriet Tubman has come back to life, and she’s continuing her work as an abolitionist by writing a hip-hop album. She enlists the help of a very successful hip-hop writer who has retired from the business, but she’s going to help him on his journey to freedom, while helping other people as well.<\/p>\nIt’s set in the current day. There’s actually music in the audiobook. I’ve written some songs to go along with it. It’s already been reviewed by Publishers Weekly<\/em><\/em>. They gave it an officially starred review. They called it a knockout. I’m genuinely telling you: it is a very good book. I’m very proud of it. It’s the kind of book I would read. <\/p>\n<\/h3>\n
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